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Firefox 4 - anyone got an opinion yet??
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Jim Hillier
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March 22, 2011 - 6:28 pm
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Firefox 4 has finally arrived and I believe it is a somewhat radical departure from previous versions.....particularly the interface.

Editorial reviews are almost all extremely favourable. User reviews are largely positive too but there are still quite a few complaints about heavy resource usage.

Have you upgraded to the latest Firefox version yet??

Let us (your fellow members) know what you think of it.

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March 24, 2011 - 9:53 am
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I installed it.

Surfed a couple pages.

Closed it down and went back to Chrome.

It's very possible that it's bigger and better than ever. But for anyone who has used Chrome for a while, there wasn't anything all that compelling about it (unless I missed it).

Have you played with it yet?

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March 24, 2011 - 3:47 pm
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I updated to Firefox 4 and find it far better and much faster than 3.6 .I works fine and the improvements are great .
Regards Rob

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March 24, 2011 - 4:59 pm
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[quote:q4vgafv6]Have you played with it yet?[/quote:q4vgafv6]
No, not yet Zig. I've been employing the old wait and see strategy.

@Rob - Thanks for your comments Rob........much appreciated!!

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March 24, 2011 - 5:34 pm
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I tried the RC, and today v4. What gets my goat, is that some of the addons I use are NOT supported yet and, one addon I use does NOT work (thought it's supported) with v4. I'll use the updated v3.6.16 for now, Mindblower!

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March 26, 2011 - 10:07 pm
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I don't like the fact that my favorite bookmarks, del.icio.us, is not supported. Any one have a solution to this? Thanks.

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March 26, 2011 - 10:44 pm
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According to their support forums ([url:37vnv4q8]http://support.delicious.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=5691[/url:37vnv4q8]) -- Firefox 4 support is coming soon...

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March 27, 2011 - 10:47 am
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Thank you, ziggie, for your reply. I certainly hope this is true.

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March 27, 2011 - 1:36 pm
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The Geek highly approves of the new Firefox. I love it, both on XP and Windows 7. Definitely worth the download/install.

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I played around with it in Win7 64bit and Win XP, using the installed and the portable version, respectively.
Though I consider myself a Firefox fan, I'm sorry to say that the only thing I find positive about Firefox 4 is the faster start up. A lot of talk about the speedier rendering of pages - sorry, was not noticeable to me.
If you don't dress it up, it looks as ugly as Chrome - sorry Chrome users. Plus, it takes up quite a lot of vertical space - so not good if you're on a laptop.

Call me old-fashioned, but I can't for the life of me understand why developers deem it necessary to make drastic changes that force long time users to go through a learning curve. Instead of coding in useful stuff that addons provide, some of the changes force you to use even more addons in order to get Firefox to look, feel & work as you want it to.
With the latest version, I got the feeling that Mozilla got too focused on gaining Chrome users over, that they forgot to keep their existing users happy. Proof:
Tabs on top: if I wanted Chrome or Opera, I'd use Chrome or Opera, or both and maybe I already do.
Status-bar: allegedly, replaced by the addons bar, but even that doesn't work nicely - addons are placed on the left by default, which results in the big round Windows "Start" button to cover them - solution? [url=https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/772300:fsd7w54s]Here[/url:fsd7w54s], if that makes any logic. Plus, if you update keeping your existing profile, not all of your addons show or work as they should.
Padlock: also gone, replaced by the "Site Identity Button" in the navigation bar.
Navigation bar: it serves so many functions now, one is lost if he turns that off.
Addons Manager: at first glance, no way to manually look for updates for all your addons at one go.
Chrome folder: not present by default, one has to create it and put his .css files in. But even then, the changes in the Firefox code, make a lot of your own code not work, so you spend extra time trying to get everything back - I say trying, because it doesn't always work as expected.

Few more points, but I'll stop here, pointing out the most important issue I have: Firefox 4 crashes a lot and that Crash Report window doesn't close when the report is sent - have to click on the little x on the top right corner.

As someone said in the mozillaZine Forums, it feels like Firefox 4 is not ready for "Prime Time".
Needless to say, I'm still on Firefox 3.6.16 and only kept the portable version of Firefox 4 to keep playing with it.

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April 5, 2011 - 4:51 pm
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I find your comments spot on Flying Dutchman. Hope they make a change real soon (like issue v4.01) with the feel most FF users have come to love. Wish more people would comment, and mention why they like or dislike it, Mindblower!

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April 5, 2011 - 5:13 pm
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WOW. Thanks for your very honest and thorough appraisal FD......great job!!

That's an astute observation, that FF is pandering to Chrome fans by emulating [in part] Google's approach. FF got where it is today by being uniquely FF, not by imitating other browsers. It is understandable to a certain extent though; Chrome has gradually eaten into FF's share of the market, not substantially but obviously enough to make Mozilla sit up and take notice.

I'm pleased now I haven't yet succumbed to the temptation to upgrade....think I'll stick with v3.6 for the time being, at least [as MB said] until an updated version is released which hopefully will deal with some of those issues.

Thanks again.......Jim

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April 5, 2011 - 7:14 pm
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Hi Mindblower and Jim,

Reading my post again, I don't really sound like a Firefox fan, do I?
[quote:3mdilhwu]FF got where it is today by being uniquely FF, not by imitating other browsers[/quote:3mdilhwu]
That's exactly my point, I like Firefox, not some Chrome look alike/ wanna be - there's the original and at least one better clone than Firefox 4. Makes dread about how Firefox 5 will be.

[quote:3mdilhwu]FF is pandering to Chrome fans[/quote:3mdilhwu]
How about [url=https://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2011/04/01/improving-add-on-performance/:3mdilhwu]this[/url:3mdilhwu]?
Is this new or is it just me discovering it late? Please notice, they're talking about start-up time.
And what's the point Firefox gets always beaten by Chrome? What's the point Chrome users brag about over Firefox? Start-up time!
Now, I ask myself: when did this get so important that Mozilla started pressing addons developers to improve the start-up time impact of their addons? Was it when the loyal users complained about it, version after version? Unfortunately no, it started when Chrome turned into a considerable competitor/threat?

[quote:3mdilhwu]which hopefully will deal with some of those issues[/quote:3mdilhwu]
I wouldn't hold my breath on that; all things I've described are design choices, so unlikely to change - unless we go on strike?

On a side note, I checked out the latest Palemoon as well (based on Firefox 4). Not very satisfying either. The developer tried to keep some of the old functionality and I hope it'll get better over time - would make a nice Windows alternative. For example, there's still a Status bar, but it's obviously achieved by coding in the Status-4-Evar functions which is a good addon that needs some more work.

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April 5, 2011 - 8:53 pm
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Agree 100% FD.

The majority of today's computer users seem to be speed freaks. It doesn't really matter to me whether an app opens in .05 of a second or 5 seconds......I can wait!!

The main consideration is, that once up and running, it meets the requirements and performs to expectations.

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April 5, 2011 - 9:15 pm
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I was lamenting the fact that del.icio.us was not compatible with Firefox 4. I found, though, if you download the Yahoo Toolbar you can add del.icio.us to it. It's not quite as handy, but usable.

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