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Jim Canfield
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April 21, 2016 - 4:40 am
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windows 10 should be a game lovers dream machine but like anything else there are issues that will affect some games. The good news is steam works right out of the box on 10. The bad news is doing an in place install of windows 10 will probably corrupt Steam. Just do a new install of Steam and all should be good.

While not strictly a Windows 10 problem, earlier games with DRM copy protectin, SecuROM and SaeDisk. will not run on Windows 10. My understanding is Windows is not going to fix this. SecuROM would cause a possible loophole for malware so it is off the board for Win 10.

Games that run on Windows 7 should install and run on 10.
In reviewing some gamer boards, some players have had a problem with games stored on other than the root drive. When you purchase a game from windows store it does not give you a choice on where to save it. I defaults to the root drive. Therefore any game not on the C:' drive will not receive updates and most likely will not run. '

A major concern from some game companies is the Universal Windows platform. this in effect shuts out downloads from websites , publishers and developers other than the Windows store. There is a way of bypassing this feature but it is turned off by default. You would have to enable 'side-loading' which would not be easy from most users. An example of this is Windows 10 release of Quantum Break. It will only be available as a UWP application and will use DirectX 12.

Gears of War is running well on Win 10. To my knowledge all of Origin will run as well.

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Practically every game I ran on Windows 7 runs just fine on Windows 10 and I'm talking about a shed load of games going as far back as Tomb Raider I.
I'm not entirely sure what your point is here Jim and I'd like to see some examples of 'earlier DRM protected games' that won't run on Win 10.
As far as Windows Store games is concerned, forget it. It's so console orientated that any true PC gamer wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
For example, the latest Tomb Raider, when downloaded from the store is a cut down version for the same price of US$60, where Microsoft has limited the graphic options so that only a five year old child can change them.
Frankly, Windows Store is dreadful!
Microsoft doesn't give a shit about PC games and is more interested in creaming off console profit, which is pretty much a slam dunk!
Again, UWP is a mobile/console avenue and one which the PC Master Race will stay well away from.
Either you or I will pen an article on this Jim.
Who's going to be first?

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"Frankly, Windows Store is dreadful!"
Who would have ever thought our PC's would become one big advertising environment for MS.

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Well, guys, I'm certainly NOT what ya might call a Gamer, but....
There is one old game, I bought on a floppy disk back in 1990, that I like to play
every day, but it is (I think) 16 bit code and will not run on any version of Windows,
if it's 64 bit. 64 bit Windows just does NOT seem to be backward compatible.
However I do run it on Windows 8.1/32, with no real problems.

Back in my early days of working with Personal computers (circa, 1980) there was a sort of Rule on the streets, that if you wanted to play games, you bought a Commodore 64, and if you wanted to crunch numbers you bought an IBM PC, and if you wanted to work in Graphics you bought an Apple.

But, since then the lines have gotten blurred as to what machine to use for what purpose. I think the IBM Compatibles are still the best for number crunching, (business use) but as for gaming and High End Graphics, not so much.

I really didn't like what MS did with their card games, after XP. Some overpaid programmer, trying to justify his job, just had to mess with Solitaire, a game I'd played since DOS days. I didn't like the look of the new version, or the way it played, so I copied all the games, plus the cards.dll file, from XP and transplanted them to 8.1 and VOILA, I had my old favorite Sol back again. I'm a happy camper again!

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Wonder if that would work with W10??

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TechnoMage said

Well, guys, I'm certainly NOT what ya might call a Gamer, but....
There is one old game, I bought on a floppy disk back in 1990, that I like to play
every day, but it is (I think) 16 bit code and will not run on any version of Windows,
if it's 64 bit. 64 bit Windows just does NOT seem to be backward compatible.
However I do run it on Windows 8.1/32, with no real problems.

Back in my early days of working with Personal computers (circa, 1980) there was a sort of Rule on the streets, that if you wanted to play games, you bought a Commodore 64, and if you wanted to crunch numbers you bought an IBM PC, and if you wanted to work in Graphics you bought an Apple.

But, since then the lines have gotten blurred as to what machine to use for what purpose. I think the IBM Compatibles are still the best for number crunching, (business use) but as for gaming and High End Graphics, not so much.

I really didn't like what MS did with their card games, after XP. Some overpaid programmer, trying to justify his job, just had to mess with Solitaire, a game I'd played since DOS days. I didn't like the look of the new version, or the way it played, so I copied all the games, plus the cards.dll file, from XP and transplanted them to 8.1 and VOILA, I had my old favorite Sol back again. I'm a happy camper again!

Cheers Mates!
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Great solution, thanks!
Also, you might consider DosBox for those troublesome 16 bit games.

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I love playing my games but it has been a long time since I played on the PC. I have switched over to the Xbox One I bought today and with its ability to play live streaming games from the Xbox to the PC I think I will give that a try.

The controller is IF and can control the Xbox from any room so i can (hopefully) sit in from of the PC and use a controller. I have to admit that I have not tried

Also have anyone use DosBox? Supposedly, it will run win 95 games on Windows 10, Unix etc.

My problem is, I don't keep any game after I go as far as is possible for me. I get a new one and junk the old. I just gave away 21 Xbox 360 games, even though they will work on Xbox one. I just gravitate to the new. If I had some of the older games I wold love to to try DosBox. Maybe you have some Marc.

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I wrote about DosBox a while back Jim, before your time I believe.
Here
It seems like a black art at first but once you get the hang of it it's plain sailing. DosBox worked fine for me on Win 7 and 8 so I see no reason why Win 10 should present any problems.
For older games you might want to try Gog also known as Good old Games, many of which are recoded for modern OSs.

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Marc, as I mentioned, I don't play a lot of games on my PC anymore, but I used to, loved Dune and a few others. I consider you the go to guy on DCT for games.

The purpose of this topic was in answer to someone wanting to know the future of games in Windows. I did not want to carry that conversation to the comments so started this topic in the forum. One of my surprises was the slam made by epic Games co founder Tim Sweeny made stating that other developers should fight against the corporation for moving against the entire PC industry particularly Microsoft's Universal Windows Platform. Calling it a closed platform.

Microsoft of course disagreed and said it is not a closed platform. They have a setting I am sure you are aware of that can turned off to install apps by enabling "side-loading" Sweeny however thinks that this is an unfair advantage because it is turned off by default and could be revoked at any time using one of windows 10's forced updates.

I leave my gaming to Xbox and just purchased the newest edition of Gears of War. Although I am a huge Clancy fan I thought I would try a different game. .What is cool, is I can use my controller and play the game live streaming in Windows 10.

The windows store is an infant, and things are pretty clunky right now, but I believe will grow up to be the bad boy in the crowd. Mark my words, Windows 10 will dominate games by 2020. Laugh

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I may not have been clear about what I meant regarding the UWP (Universal Windows Platform).
Clearly UWP is logical step for Microsoft and for basic applications and games, it works exactly as it should. However, for many Windows desktop applications such as games, it has it's limitations. I'm not referring to Candy Crush Saga and Flappy Birds, but big AAA titles such as Tomb Raider, Watchdogs and others are limited in how you can make configurations changes to the game such as V-sync (although a recent update has improved that aspect) and in-game overlays.
Another important point is that games such as Rise of the Tomb Raider will only run on Windows 10, whereas the same game bought elsewhere, such as Steam, as a Windows desktop version, will run on Windows 7 and 8.
No doubt the store versions through UWP will lose their limitations over time, but for the moment, I won't be touching Store for my PC games.

Jim, I still would like to know which DRM and other security protected games will not run on Windows 10, so when you've got a minute......

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Two excellent articles on the Windows 10 DRM/SafeDisc issue that explain how it works and how to possibly get around the restriction.
http://www.howtogeek.com/230773/how-to-play-pc-games-that-require-safedisc-or-securom-drm-on-windows-10-8.1-8-7-and-vista/

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-safedisc-securom-drm/

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Where does this leave us Marc? Do we use W7 for our gaming platform or will this help? Am I reading this right and if the games or purchased through Steam then the DRM doesn't play as big a role. What has happened to the days when one just popped a CD in and played a game?

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This really only applies to older games on DVD/CD Daniel, where that media has DRM embedded.
There are ways around it as mentioned in the articles I referred to, although I've yet to physically come across this issue and i have loads of games on CD.
I'll run a few tests and see.

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